Unidad documental simple 2023-01-25/479 - meeting with bishop

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report of meeting with a Bishop

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According to your counsel we went today to approach His Grace. The interview was short. I hope it was useful even if no success has been actually reported presently. I shall try to tell you the things as exactly as I remember.

I was introduced about 15.50. I began:
"I come on a business which I hope will interest the diocese of Cashel and be useful to Glenstal. I wonder if Your Grace has already read the recent Instruction of the Propaganda about the medical care to be given to the mothers and babies."
His Grace: "I have nothing to do..."

"They want first of all a house in Dublin or Cork and that is essential. Let them approach the Archbishop of Dublin, and, as he accepts, I may then consider myself the affair."
I: "Excuse me, but I think the novitiate is the first to be decided, as they will not go to the University before receiving good religious formation."
H.G.: "No no, that novitiate is only a year to prepare them for the real trial, the training in Dublin. So, let us first ascertain with the Archbishop of Dublin. (L'ordine logico, è questo [The logical order is this])."

Since that moment, impossible to get other, and His Grace concludes: "This is the canonical way. So approach the Archbishop of Dublin and if accepted, to bring the thing to me, and I will consider it."
I tried to explain to Him that Ms Martin was about to write to Rome, in order to put herself at the disposal of the Holy See, and ask for directions.
He only answered that the canonical law was Dublin-Cashel.

Having nothing more to say or to hear, I went out. We hesitated if it would be better for Ms Martin to go herself — I thought the useful time was over. We saw then the secretary, Fr O'Connor. We got nothing very definite from him. He dissuaded from returning to His Grace — moreover, it was a few minutes before his dinner — but thought well to give him the letter destined to the Cardinal by Ms Martin. He will present it himself, and let His Grace reflect, and make at ease his mind on the case.

In a further interview I had alone with him, he expressed that probably His Grace will like to come in touch with the Archbishop. "The Bishops of Ireland want to keep in good relations. Those persons are most [in order?]. And His Grace would not like to seem interfering in their projects, with His Colleagues. And so, we are sure that the answer will be delayed — and for [a] long time. But, as the Archbishop knows now in what intention she goes to Rome, he would be not right if he felt offended by the sending of the prepared letter and we can go ahead without expecting."

Don't [forget?]
Baciando il sacro anello, mi confermo di Sua Eccellenza A. [Devotissi]mo
[Kissing the sacred ring, I confirm myself Your Excellency's most devoted]

with the Propaganda.
I.: "No, but the instruction could interest you."
H.G.: "Was it published in the Acta?"
I.: "I don't know but I have here the text."
His Grace reads attentively, somewhat terse. When he declared: "I don't see anything for me in that."
I.: "The question is that we have in Glenstal some girls, with Ms Martin who think of some Work..."
"You remember..."
H.G. sharply: "I remember indeed, I refused absolutely to establish any sort of religious congregation."
I.: "Of course, but the situation is somewhat different now. The Holy See invites to form new Congregations, and I thought it would be great to start immediately in Ireland in our diocese. I know many others are contemplating to make something in accordance with Rome's views. The Holy Child [Nuns] come from England into Meath, another group is coming from America to recruit in Cork. And for Glenstal it would be a big loss to see them go else[where]. We were so satisfied of the good services they did to the Priory and College."
H.G.: "What do you intend to do?"
I.: "They would have a novitiate there."
H.G.: "I don't like to have another community at Glenstal."
I.: "Or they will build a new house, and send then their members for medic[al] [studies]."

ORIGINAL OCR

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