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Holy Cross Retreat: Ardoyne; Belfast: Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Copy of the Petition to Cardinal Sirneoni of Propaganda, this time including modification suggested by Fr Thomas, Consultor General in his letter of 28.11.1889 (see item under serial number 1992)

Holy Cross Retreat: Ardoyne; Belfast: Dispute with Bishop McAllister. Document from Provincial Vincent Grogan, to H.E. Card Simeoni, Prefect of the Sacred Congregation of Propoganda. It is the first draft of petition for permission to build the church at Ardoyne at CP expense. This is the document referred to in letter located under serial number 1992, and contains the addition drafted by Fr. Thomas, Consultor General.

Holy Cross Retreat: Ardoyne; Belfast: Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Letter from Fr Thomas, Consultor General, Rome to Fr Provincial, Highgate. London. Thomas has gone to Propaganda with Document sealed and signed by General. (This document is the following one located under serial number 1994). The documewnt was too vaguely worded for them so Thomas added a page, (which he encloses at page 4 of the letter and written in Latin). When he got back Fr Arthur's letter was there showing St Joseph's CPs would not agree to letting Bishop have anything to do with a church on CP grounds (copy of that letter is not extant in these archives). This put it all back to square one. so Vice-Genaral says send document back to Provincial to see if enclosure will be accepted. No point in Arthur coming to Rome Gives reason why. Gives reason why enclosure be signed.

Holy Cross Retreat: Ardoyne; Belfast: Dispute with Bishop McAllister. Letter from Fr Thomas, Consultor General, Rome, to Fr Arthur Devine, Highgate, London, acknowledging Arthur's of 23rd Nov. (copy of that letter is not extant in these archives). It's tone dishearten 's Thomas. We have to make some concessions, otherwise Bishop has stolen a march on us.
Fact we bought and paid for site is important, but if church is built on it we can't sell it or till it or ground-rent it. Also the reference to Bishop Dorrian slipping in his signature as a trustee could have been put better. Even if we won a case, the Sacred Congregation would not enforce it.

Holy Cross Retreat: Ardoyne; Belfast:Letter from Fr Thomas, Consultor General to Fr Provincial, Highgate.
Has just told Fr Arthur re conference with Card Simeone. Thinks that Provincial should accept Cardinal's solution. If Fr Anthony comes to London for dedication of new church, a formula could be worked out embodying the two CP conditions, this then could go to Vice General for aspproval.

Holy Cross Retreat: Ardoyne; Belfast: Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Letter from Consultor General, Thomas, Rome,to Arthur Devine:He writes about Fr. Edmund's faculties and enquires if Arthur knows anything abour Fr. Bede, a Canon Regular, who has requested faculties to bless Passionist Chaplet and Scapulars. Refers to Tablet review of Arthurt;s "Convent Life". Suggests that Arthur prepare a 2nd edition for the USA and also arrange for the publication of some of Blessed Dominic's writings..
Concerning Ardoyne, Thomas has seen (keep this under your hat) the Bishop's letter to Propaganda. He wants to build a church on the C.P. site. Cardinal, after some explanation, said that according to the new Bull, Romani Pontifices, the church would be our property, if built with the money of our Congregation, but, if built with the oblations of the faithful, it would belong to the Diocese, unless Bishop gives title to us. The letter contains some conditions, which if conceeded by the BIshop, would secure for us all we wanted.

Ardoyne: Dispute with Bishop McAllister. Fr. Anthony Carroll, Superior, Ardoyne, to Fr Provincial. Results of sending Architect's report on state of temporary church to Bishop. Bishop comes and visits locus and sees for himself how bad things are. Anthony urges Provincial to write NOW. (Note by Archivist, Declan O'Sullivan: "Dated Saturday morning Oct. 26th. 1889 is only year that fits.")

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Wareham: Letter to the Provincial from the Consultor General, Thomas, Rome. Acknowledges several provincial's letters. General is away. Thanks for favourable report on Province. Glad to hear there is prospect of getting £1,000 for Wareham. Thomas doesn't know if he will go to Belfast. Consulta will decide on that after Christmas.

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Letter to Provincial from the Consultor General, Thomas, Rome. Not such good news. Pope unwilling to force bishop. Msgr, Jacobini says nothig can be done. Has Arthur (Devine?) any suggestions? Should Thomas come to Ireland? The letter breaks off here. (Other pages not to hand?) .

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Copy of answer from Sacred Congregation of Propaganda, Rome, to Bishop McAllister. Says it
was necessary for them to consult with Passionists. This being done, they now suggest that the bishop build the church with the assistance of the rector, ownership of the church to belong to the diocese, use of it to belong to the Passionists as long as they are there; with all the details of the Constitution Romanus Pontifices being observed. The bishop to decide on the site, but congregation suggests the one near the retreat becuse of easier access, the fact that the Passioinist are donating the site and helping with the building. For translation of this document see item under serial number 1988.