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Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Foolscap sheets containng copy of Fr. Vincent Grogan's reply to Bishop McAllisiter's letter of 6 February (se item under serial number 1964). He gives notice of appeal to the Holy See. Gives 3 reasons why Passionists have privileges. All previous provincials, still living, agree with Vincent's statements. He rejects reference to scandalous behaviour (then cancels this out). Arthur Devine appends a note declaring that this is an exact copy of the letter sent to the Bishop..

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: letter from the Superior of Ardoyne, Fr. Anthony O'Carroll, to the Provincial, Highgate, explaining why no Passionist was at the conference of the clergy (held in the Diocese?). All were occupied and he had informed the Bishop - Bishop's reply enclosed. (NB. This reply is not attached). Anthony thinks we could not agree to the Bishop's ideas and explains why. Suggests that Provincial brings a canonist with him when he meets the Bishop. Best be prepared with facts as to what our priveileges are. If any men are presented for faculties exams, they had better be good. Anthony thinks we should act now.

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Letter from Fr. Thomas, Consultor General, to Provincial, Vincent Grogan. Letter from Propaganda on way to bishop advising that he should settle dispute. He should not refuse faculties to Passionists put up by their superiors unless for canonical reasons. Other religious in Ireland were complaining about similar treatment., so the same advice was given to other bishops. Vincent to keep this information "under his hat". Thomas understands congregation wants this matter settled. (He also mentions that he is glad Vincent has escaped the danger from Kildare - i.e., of being made Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin, Copy of this reference is also located at 3/3/5/2 serial no. 6475)

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Copy letter (prpbably a draft) from Fr. Vincent Grogan, Provincial, to Bishop McAllister in reply to his previous correspondence. Vincent quotes extensively from Compendium Facultatum C.P., (1882) re our enjoying the privileges of regulars. He also quotes from de Aedificis and de Elecmonia. He repeats that the Belfast foundation was done in accordance with the canons and with the consent of the bishop. Denies that appeal to Holy See is a threat. Goes on to deal with the refusal of confessonal faculties. No formal appeal has yet been lodged. Passionist still willing to settle.

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Copy letter from the Provincial to Bishop McAllister in reply to his letter of 13 September re Passionists attending conferences of clergy and to building of new church. Provincial mentions that Fr. Anthony's reference, at the conference dinner, to the bazaar would not have been made had Anthony been aware that such reference would have been disagreeable to the Bishop. The Provincial goes on to point out that he can't maintain a proper religious community in Ardoyne if priests are refused faculties. Regrets Bishop refers to a case where now the offender has been punished.

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Copy(?) letter rrom Bishop McAllister to the Provincial, Fr. Vincent Grogan, in reply to his of 09.03.1888 (see item under serial number 1968). He was not going to answer that letter. Says he asked for a catalogue of the privileges of the Passionists so that he could compare it with the agreement reached between them and his predecessor. Complains that unsigned letters in the press and a complaint made privately to Rome were hostile acts towards him. Repeats that Vincent bagan the row. Justifies his refusal to allow increase in the number of priest with faculties. Insists on maintaining the original agreement between the Passionists and his predecessor.

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Letter from the Rector of Ardoyne, Fr. Anthony Caroll to Fr. Arthur (Devine) Highgate. (Reference to death of Fr. Stephen, 10 days before, suggests the date on this letter which actually is undatd). He hopes Arthur is preparing "a stinger" of a brief about the case, Suggests that when Arthur is in Rome he should see the Generals of the Jesuits, Dominicans and Augustinians. Uses quite warlike metaphors. Bishop was at Stephen's funeral but did not set foot inside the house, Refers to bishop's ideas about us not being an order and that we are not in fact approved but only tolerated by the Church. Suggests Arthur throws a papal bull or two at him. Gives news of arrivals "de familia", Quotes returns to bishop of Easter comuninions etc., for Ardoyne and Ligoneil, which are formidable, as well as the work of several religious socities, yet we have only 4 men with faculties,

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Letter from Fr, Thomas, Consultor-General, Sts. John and Paul, Rome. to Fr, Arthur Devine. Acknowledges Arthur's letter of 20 April (copy not to hand at time of computerisation) with copy of Bishop McAllister's letter (see item under serial number 1969), He is not pleased with tone of that letter. Propaganda is to try and settle the matter. Arthur's points will probably be of value to Propaganda. Guesses the bishop has spoken to Walsh of Dublin. .

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Letter to Arthur Devine from the Consultor General, Thomas, Rome. He asks for copy of the agreement between Eugen Martorelli and Bishop Dorian, together with articles subscribed to by some early rectors of Ardoyne. Wants them for translation into Italian. Is aware that Sacred Congregation is loath to irritate the bishop. They are cautious because of some rescript received from Holy Office.

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister:

Holy Cross Retreat, Ardoyne, Belfast; Dispute with Bishop McAllister: Letter to Provincial from the Consultor General, Thomas, Rome. Not such good news. Pope unwilling to force bishop. Msgr, Jacobini says nothig can be done. Has Arthur (Devine?) any suggestions? Should Thomas come to Ireland? The letter breaks off here. (Other pages not to hand?) .

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